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非那雄胺或曰保法止对轻微至中等程度脱发有一点作用吗?

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发表于 2012-6-9 19:35:48 | 只看该作者
siyi 发表于 2012-6-9 17:54
请围绕我的贴子的主题发表评论。

周药师,你可是网络界的“方舟子”,每时每刻都冲在打假前沿,你的成就已经可以和方舟子质疑韩寒文章事件相媲美了,你又好比现实版的唐吉可德,总是和邪恶势力做着斗争!
每到这个论坛都忍不住夸你两句,再美的赞扬声给你也不为过啊!
对了,大伙已经承认你的生殖系统肌肉理论了,现在就等你得诺贝尔奖的那一刻呢,亿万粉丝已经准备好了鲜花和掌声,你可不能辜负大伙的热切期望啊!
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-10 18:41:51 | 只看该作者
xiaobchongchong 发表于 2012-6-10 00:13
我以前就说过,我不参与争论,等过完这个夏天自然就有结论。因为我没心思去找理论跟周先生聊,去年9月底 ...

你是否脱发或你是否用保法止治好了你的脱发,把你的照片照片传上来看看就知道了。你传么?
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-10 18:55:35 | 只看该作者
Lawsuit Blames Hair Loss Drug For Sexual Dysfunction And Mental Problems
March 03, 2011|By RINKER BUCK, The Hartford Courant
A Connecticut law firm has filed a lawsuit against pharmaceutical manufacturer Merck & Co. on behalf of men who have taken Propecia, a prescription drug that combats hair loss but, its critics say, can also cause severe side effects such as sexual dysfunction and mental impairment.
Attorney Edward Jazlowiecki of Bristol has joined two other firms, in New Jersey and New York, in filing the suit, which alleges that Merck has failed to fully disclose the serious side effects of Propecia and failed to adjust its warnings in the American market even after European regulators forced the company to carry a stronger warning label.




Propecia, which is also marketed under the brand name Proscar, was originally introduced to treat men with enlarged prostates, but it won FDA approval in 1997 for the treatment of male pattern hair loss after patients noticed its restorative powers with hair. The drug's active ingredient is finasteride, which can help reduce the levels of the substance on the scalp that leads to hair loss.
But in many men, Jazlowiecki said, finasteride also reduces sexual function and leads to mental and emotional symptoms like anxiety attacks and insomnia that do not go away years after men stop using the drug.
"The same mechanism in the hormone system that controls hair loss also controls sexual function and a patient's mental state, and this drug has had devastating effects and destroyed the lives of men who have taken it," Jazlowiecki said. "Merck knew this, and their claims that the negative effects of the drug go away once you stop using it are false. The damage to these men appears to be permanent, even after five years of taking the drug."
When contacted by The Courant, Merck released a statement that said, "The company intends to vigorously defend against the lawsuit."
Jazlowiecki said that one of the plaintiffs in his suit suffered such severe symptoms that his wife left him, and that another plaintiff suffered from a loss of concentration that forced him to drop out of law school. Jazlowiecki's complaint, filed in U.S. District Court in New Jersey, where Merck's U.S. headquarters are located, also quotes American and European doctors who have passionately argued against the drug, citing many of the severe side effects listed in the lawsuit.
Similar experiences are described on a website devoted to men who have suffered side effects from the drug, propeciahelp.com.
One Connecticut patient, who plans to join the lawsuit as soon as lawyers finish examining his medical records, said that he stopped taking Propecia three years ago after experiencing trouble breathing, sexual dysfunction, anxiety attacks and memory loss. He asked not to be named because his mother still does not know of the severe side effects the drug caused.
"I was a happy, athletic person before I started taking this drug, but now it has ruined my life," the plaintiff said. "The hardest part is going to doctors and describing my condition and they don't believe me. They believe all of the material that has been sent out by the FDA and Merck and just send me home with a prescription for anti-depressants."
On its Propecia website, under "possible side effects," Merck does have a warning, which reads:
"A small number of men had sexual side effects, with each occurring in less than 2% of men. These include less desire for sex, difficulty in achieving an erection, and a decrease in the amount of semen. These side effects went away in men who stopped taking PROPECIA because of them."

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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-11 22:34:06 | 只看该作者
xiaobchongchong 发表于 2012-6-11 20:40
重要更正,重要声明,保法止是治不好脱发的,只能改善和延缓脱发,其实大家一直都是说非那雄胺对改善和延 ...

你怎么这么快就从你先前的立场往后退?既然你说你用保法止使你的头发变密了,你就应该把你的照片贴出来。你不愿意贴照片,这让我怀疑你是否真的脱发。
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-13 20:25:39 | 只看该作者
xiaobchongchong 发表于 2012-6-12 21:39
看到周先生说我是否用保法止治好了我的脱发,我只是有点恍然大悟而已,我的立场一直没变啊,而且也是依照周 ...

如果你用保法止确实使你的头发变密了,贴上你的照片不是很有说服力吗?谁会说你是药托呢?这也是反驳我的最好证据。我很希望看到证明我错了的证据。
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发表于 2012-6-16 08:55:10 | 只看该作者
xiaobchongchong 发表于 2012-6-14 22:25
这两张是2011年9月参加一个婚礼时照的照片,有一张刚好照相机照到我的头顶。我的头发已经变成这样了,这使 ...

从08年的照片来看,发质非常好,没有任何问题。
后面的陆续看出来脱发了,特别是11年9月的,头顶和前额明显稀疏。
(跟我目前的现象有点像,从前额到头顶形成一个倒V,不过前额我稍稍好一点点,两侧的后枕的头发非常密)
从2012年的照片来看,虽然没有恢复到08年的强盛状态,但效果也算非常不错了。
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发表于 2012-6-16 09:11:08 | 只看该作者
xiaobchongchong 发表于 2012-6-14 22:44
目前还没有药物能根治脱发,不过保法止确实可以起到改善的作用,这是我自己的体会,到9月份,等我用药满一 ...

我到医院应该看皮肤科 还是内科?
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发表于 2012-6-16 09:56:35 | 只看该作者
xiaobchongchong 发表于 2012-6-16 09:45
根据我看的资料,是恢复不到以前那样的了,只能尽量恢复,指望能保持长久一些,另外保法止要长期服用,头 ...



不过看你现在的恢复量,就算保法止失去了作用,脱到难以接受的程度至少要3-5年以上。
。。当耐药性出现后,长久以后可能还是要植发。。。。。唉。
我25岁就开始担心头发了,真是烦恼啊。
如果早一点引起我的重视,可能就不是这样了
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-16 19:53:34 | 只看该作者
xiaobchongchong 发表于 2012-6-14 22:29
下面两张正面的是这个月初照的,头顶两张是今天照的。

既然你有勇气登出你的照片,那你就没有必要把你的脸部去掉。从你面部的轮廓看,你长得可能还有一点帅气。所以,你没有必要遮掩你的脸部。从你2010年(未脱发)的照片和你刚照的照片看,你服用保法止何止是头发得到了改善,应该说是完全恢复如初,甚至更好。你在这里说的和登的会影响很多人。因此,为了对你自己和他人负责,你应该用你的真实姓名,并把那个看上去极其恶心的动物头像换成你自己的照片,这在你把你的照片的归属权注明为发友网时更应该如此。
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-6-17 21:30:17 | 只看该作者
xiaobchongchong 发表于 2012-6-16 22:44
首先,谢谢周先生的夸奖,其实本人长得不算太丑。
其次,作出如下说明:
一、我贴照片,只是用于发友的交流 ...

你将你的这些照片的归属权归于发友网, 说明你的肖像权已经得到了很好的保护,因为任何人不经发友网的同意而使用你的照片,都是不仅对你也是对发友网的侵权。这种归属注明本身也表明,你或者是这个网站的站主之一或者是为这个网站工作的。不然,你是不会在你的照片上注明这一点的。既然如此,你就更不应该遮挡面部。
虽然是我建议你贴照片,但我压根没想到你会将其面部遮挡起来。那张在婚庆宴会上显示脱发的照片中的人虽然从轮廓上看象你,但他显得比你老,这会让我猜测,他说不定是你的父亲。如果你不遮挡面部,这种疑虑也就自然消除了。于情于理,你都应该贴没有将面部遮挡起来和照片。
根据你自己说的,你08年肯定还没有脱发。你也贴了一张背影照片。你为什么只贴背影的而不贴正面的照片真让人费解。
如果你不用真名,你怎么对你“所贴照片与所述事实的真实性负责”?
虽然世界是多元的,但人们得同一种病的病因不可能是多元的。既然你说读过一些关于脱发的资料,难道你没有读到过西方医学界关于脱发原因的这样的描述,即世界上95%的脱发都属于雄性激素引起的脱发?撇开这种解释的对错不说,它对脱发原因的解释不是多元的,而是单元的。
我是说保法止对治疗脱发无效是完全依据我对保法止的文献进行仔细研究后作出的。很多用过保法止的脱发者给我写信也说它无效;我前面提到的一位浙大三年级学生使用保法止的经历也表明保法止无效;发明和生产保法止的默克药业公司的管理层中有那么多的秃头者也同样表明保法止无效,保法止使你生发确实是一个奇迹。
等你将不遮挡面部的照片贴到这里后,我会请你娓娓道来你服用保法止的故事。
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